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[MathiasREX]

ecco cosa ho trovato su una delle mie ricerche su alt.bald.spot.. non suggestionatevi troppo però....

 

"Stay away from Revivogen is a total scam.

It is Pure and utter worthless Snakeoil.

 

It will do absolutely nothing to help with your hair loss!!!!

In fact it could make it worse.

 

This is a very shady company using very poor science and it should be avoided.

 

Beware there are many vendors here who will try to convince you other wise

 

But before you waste money on this worthless product consider the

Following

 

1) They use typical snakeoil keywords like "For Fuller, Thicker Hair", "All

Natural" and "Patent Pending"

 

2) If this product has a success rate of 96% like they claim, why hasn't it

taken the world by storm?

 

3) There have been no non-biased studies on this product. Sure they claim 96%

success rate, but anybody can claim anything about their own product. (Just

look at what the cigarette companies claim). There are no independent studies

to back up their claims. They keep saying they are trying to setup some studies

but they never seem to materialize, kind of makes you wonder what they are

hiding.

 

4) Look at the before & after photographs on their website.

 

The top guy the before picture is taken directly above him, it shows he is

balding profusely in the front. The after picture is taken from behind. It just

looks like he grew hair because you can't see the front where he is losing

hair. It's a common slick trick that many snakeoilers use, taking pictures at

different angles.

 

The middle before & after picture, the guy has a different shaped head and his

baldspot is in a different location in each, it's obviously two different

people.

 

The bottom before & after the guy just grew his hair longer.

 

Also these very same pictures have appeared in advertisements for other

snakeoils.

 

If this product is so good you would think they would have real pictures and

wouldn't have to resort to obvious fake photographs.

 

5) Same with their letters. Notice how they are signed like

John Smith, Lawyer

Jane Doe, Housewife.

 

Who do you know list their occupation after their signature?

Nobody, Just like the product, the letters are obvious fakes.

 

A company that uses fake Photos and letters should warn you immediately that

something is not right!

 

6) They only offer a 3 month money back guarantee yet they claim it takes 6

months for the product to work so the guarantee is worthless because by the

time you realize you have been scammed it is too late. If it has a 96% success

rate like they claim what do they have to loose by offering a longer money back

guarantee.

 

Adding to the shadiness the money back guarantee is it is from the day it is

shipped so it is actually quite less than 90 days.

 

And remember offering a money back guarantee doesn't legitimize a product

because every scam artist knows that even if one is offered the vast majority

of people who are dissatisfied with a product don't go through the time and

hassle of getting there money back.

 

 

7) They don't list the concentrations of their (supposably) active ingredients.

 

Propecia contain 1mg Finastride, Rogaine contains 5% minoxidil, Tylenol

contains 500mg Ibuprophen, etc, etc, etc.

 

Can you name one legitimate medicine out there that doesn't list the

concentrations of their active ingredients? Kind of suspicious that Revivogen

doesn't.

 

This is significant for Revivogen because supposably one of their most

effective ingredient in fighting hair loss is the Free Fatty Acids (Oleic,Alpha

and gamma Linoleics). These free fatty acids are found in small concentrations

in pretty much every type of fat and oil product out there, because they don't

list the concentrations of these for all anybody knows they could be using

plain old corn oil in their product.

Actually if you look nowhere to they say on their website the fatty acids are

in their free form. These fatty acids are widely and cheaply available so not

listing their concentrations isn't because they are worried that someone will

copy their product, it because they are hiding something.

 

Also Azelaic acid is a prescription medication. So there has to be very little

of it in Revivogen or you would need a prescription for it. (BTW Azelaic Acid

has been studied for decades it has never been shown to be effective for MPB)

 

Proanthocyanidins are found in tiny concentrations in grapeseeds or apples. And

While Proanthocyanidins might work a little for hair loss (In studies in grew

the same amount of hair as the Proplyene Glycol in Rogaine which is much less

than the minoxidil or Propecia). It would take a hell of a lot of grape seeds

or apples to get a significant amount in Revivogen and it would make the

product cost a hell of a lot more than it does. The odds are they just cheaply

crush grapes or use an apple fragrance and say the got proanthocyanidins in

there, who knows they don't list the concentration.

 

There has been many complaints here about Revivogen since they added the

Proanthocyanidins.

 

 

8) If you want to buy Revivogen because it is 100% natural forget it that is

also a lie. In order to get fats into their free form they have to drop them

into Sodium Hydroxide (which turns them into soap) then neutralized with

Hydrochloric Acid then extract them with gasoline.

 

Sodium Hydroxide, Hydrochloric acid and gasoline. How natural is that?

 

 

9)The main supposably active ingredients the free fatty acids have never been

studied for hair growth. In fact they have never been shown to grow anything.

In fact they inhibit cellular proliferation in every type of fast dividing

cells they have been applied. They are so good at stopping cellular

proliferation they are used to stop tumors as part as chemotherapy. Sorry but

chemotherapy agents and hair growth do not go together.

 

10) The whole basis for Revivogen supposably being a hair growth agent is a

study done on a Syrian golden hamster flank organ. It has never been tested in

humans (There was one study on ONE 63 year old Chinese guy that didn't evolve

hair). What other condition would you take a product that has never been tested

in humans?

 

11) The sad part is didn't even grow hair on the hamster. In fact it inhibited

hair growth on the hamster. In another test the Free fatty acids inhibited the

cellular proliferation of keratinocytes which are necessary for hair growth

(Keratinocyte differentiation is stimulated by activators of the nuclear

hormone receptor PPARalpha.Hanley K, Jiang Y, He SS, Friedman M, Elias PM,

Bikle DD, Williams ML, Feingold KR.)

 

 

Again there is no independent study showing Revivogen grows hair.

 

So Revivogen can actually make your hair loss worse.

 

 

12) As for the other ingredients not one of them has been shown to grow hair at

all!!! Most of these ingredients have been individually studied for years and

have never been shown to do anything for Male pattern baldness. Look at their

research listed on their web site. Lots of hard core scientific studies there

to make it sound ligit, but if you look closely you will see very little of it

has anything to do with MPB, but NOT EVEN ONE shows that any of their

ingredients does anything

for male pattern baldness.

 

13) Also if you notice Revivogen which has been around for a couple of years

doesn't have a patent but patent pending, what ever that means. It's not that

hard to get a patent for a legitimate product, the fact they don't have one

shows they are afraid to let their product be reviewed, especially by the

government.

 

14) Finally watch, The people supporting Revivogen will not defend it using any

scientific studies showing it grows hair (or anything) but instead try to hide

the fact they have no evidence by personally attacking those of us who know it

for the scam it is.

 

 

*******

 

The conclusion is obvious, Revivogen is basically a very slick scam. One of the

best in the long history of hair loss scams.

 

So stick with Rogaine, Propecia, Nizoral or Tricomin which all have legitimate

non-biased studies done on them which prove they help with MPB. And stay away

from snakeoils like Revivogen, you will just be wasting your money.

 

Check out www.hairquackery.com The website tells you how to spot a scam and

while they don't list products like Revivogen by name, You will see it in there

 

Keratinocyte differentiation is stimulated by activators of the nuclear hormone

receptor PPARalpha.

 

Hanley K, Jiang Y, He SS, Friedman M, Elias PM, Bikle DD, Williams ML, Feingold

KR.

 

Department of Dermatology, University of California, San Francisco, USA.

 

Peroxisome proliferator activated receptors (PPAR) belong to the superfamily of

nuclear hormone receptors that heterodimerize with the retinoid X receptor and

regulate transcription of several genes involved in lipid metabolism and

adipocyte differentiation. Because of the role of 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3 and

retinoic acid working through similar receptors (the vitamin D receptor and

retinoic acid receptor, respectively) on keratinocyte differentiation, we have

examined the effects of activators of PPARalpha on keratinocyte

differentiation. The rate of cornified envelope formation was increased 3-fold

in keratinocytes maintained in low calcium (0.03 mM) and incubated in the

presence of clofibric acid, a potent PPARalpha activator. Involucrin, a

cornified envelope precursor, and the cross-linking enzyme transglutaminase,

were increased at both the message level (2-7-fold) and the protein level

(4-12-fold) by clofibric acid. Furthermore, physiologic doses of the fatty

acids oleic acid, linoleic acid, and eicosatetraynoic acid, which are also

activators of PPARalpha, also induced involucrin and transglutaminase protein

and mRNA. In contrast, the PPARgammaligand prostaglandin J2 had no effect on

protein or mRNA levels of involucrin or transglutaminase. Levels of involucrin

and transglutaminase mRNA and protein were induced by clofibric acid in

keratinocytes incubated in 1.2 mM calcium, a concentration which by itself

induces keratinocyte differentiation. Finally, PPARalpha activators inhibit DNA

synthesis. This study demonstrates that PPARalpha activators, including

putative endogenous ligands such as fatty acids, induce differentiation and

inhibit proliferation in keratinocytes, and suggests a regulatory role for the

PPARalpha in epidermal homeostasis."

[kibith]

Anche la mia dermatologa mi aveva detto di stare lontano da questo prodotto. Pero' ad alcuni, in questo forum, sembra che abbia fatto bene, non so se per suggestione o x effetto di altre cure o non so che. Io non mi sono mai fidato, ma se ha qualcuno ha fatto davvero ricrescere i capelli sono contento x lui.

[smart]

potreste riassume quanto descritto?

[lot_hair]

..si ma in pratica cosa ci sarebbe scritto???

[salvizzera]

potrebbe qualcuno tradurre il testo?

 

sarebbe di grande auspicio!

 

grazie

e

saluti

 

salvizzera

[ricercatore]

Forse è il meno scammoso tra quelli più famosi ma va sottolineato che comunque a livello cosmetico sembra fare il suo lavoro (parlo per esperianza). Che addirittura sia dannoso, sono abbastanza scettico su questo. Per il resto sono abbastanza d'accordo con quanto scritto (le classifo foto ingannevoli...). Ciao!

[jined]

Il testo scritto e' una pura esaltazione di un'americano a cui il Revivogen non ha funzionato. Io vedo VISIVAMENTE i miei capelli piu' forti e spessi e cosi' i miei amici e parenti, percio' il tizio puo' scrivere quello che gli pare.

 

A parte che ha scritto una marea di controversie...come ad esempio che il Revivogen e' come acqua fresca, effetto zero, pero' a detta di lui conterrebbe sostanze pericolose come un'attivatore di acidi grassi a base di petrolio. Che ce lo metterebbero a fare se il Reviv. dovrebbe essere fasullo?

 

Per quanto riguarda le foto del sito...invito chiunque a mostrarmi una qualsiasi coppia di foto di siti di prodotti per capelli che non siano fasulle!

 

p.s. se non sbaglio, anche il proxiphen e' patent pending.

 

Kim

[jined]

Stavo vedendo il sito sulla storia delle fregature nei trattamenti per capelli, E' GRANDIOSO!

 

Quella dell'aspirapolvere gigante che si attappa sulla testa e dovrebbe "risucchiare" i capelli fuori e' veramente MEGA! Kim.

http://www.hairquackery.com/hairquackery/h...inhistory.shtml

 

[TigrottoTorello]

Questo testo è già stato postato parecchio tempo fa.

A suo tempo ne spedii una sommaria traduzione ad un membro del forum, che per posta privata ho pregato, se possibile, di pubblicarla.

[Renato]

Per Kibith:

 

Ciao, è possibile sapere che ti ha detto di preciso la tua dermatologa? Perchè sarebbe opportuno non utilizzarlo? Perchè ha visto gli ingredienti e ritiene che siano una truffa o peggio DANNOSI?

[champ]

Ma che vuoi che gli abbia detto,il fatto è che quà si tenta di far passare REVIVOGEN per acqua fresca a vantaggio di shampetti dal nome sinistro (tryo!!non vorrà dire"provare"???!!!)

[Geronimo]

Ciao jiined,

 

la tua terapia si basa soltanto su Revivogen?

Stai utilizzando in sinergia anche qualche farmaco? Ne hai fatto uso in passato recente?

[jined]

Ciao Ger, uso Revivogen associato a Saw Palmetto da 1800milligrammi.

 

Fin'ora direi che la situazione e' complessivamente in via di miglioramento. Effetti collaterali zero, solo un leggero arrossamento quando ne metto troppo.

 

Per quanto mi riguarda, poi i dermatologi possono dire quello che vogliono del Revivogen. (che e' trall'altro formula di un medico giapponese)

 

Ciao

 

Kim

[kibith]

X Renato: la mia dermatologa non mi ha detto nulla di speciale, oltre a prescrivere il solito minoxidil + finasteride le ho chiesto io che cosa ne pensasse di proxiphen e revivogen ("sa com'e' girando su internet li ho trovati e sembrano prodotti interessanti"). La sua risposta e' stat che i prodotti del dottor Proctor sono buoni e, se volevo, potevo anche prenderli, Mentre al nome di Revivogen mi ha semplicemente detto "Per carita', lascia stare...". Io non ho approfondito, ma mi bastava questo. Comunque ripeto che se a qualcuno ha fatto bene non posso che esserne contento.

 

Kibith