FOTO WSMR!!!!!!!

[rokie79]

credo che duta sarà una fina + efficace però la speranza di una cura non farmacologica è il sogno di tutti. io per esempio ho scelto di non risciare con i farmaci e sto nella speranza di qualkosa di buono per il futuro. Anche se credo che di duta col passare del tempo se ne parlera un gran bene.

[boh81]

xxxxx...mi sa proprio che è una bufala....

 

però su con il morale...è non perdendo la fiducia anche nei giorni in cui si hanno queste "sconfitte" che riusciremo un giorno a

 

VINCERE

[GanjaMan]

X Boh81: potresti per favore postare il link di dove hai trovato queste info? (i commenti dei vari trialist)

[scorpio]

Questa è proprio una brutta notizia,se sapessi l'inglese gli manderei una bella lettera a quegli st... vorrei proprio vedere come si giustificherebbero dopo aver dato tante speranze a tutti noi, e sarei curioso di sentire il sig marcopato in proposito, un saluto a tutti.

[Karime]

Per natura gia' mi stanno sui......meglio non scrivere!

*kamine*

[Visitatore BEAVIS]

bene ennesima bufala

[rokie79]

guardate a me si un po dispiace, ma non mi cambia nulla.Raga su col morale!!!!

Cmq aspettiamo lo spuxxxxxmento totale

[Aragorn]

Eccone una parte .

Fine della storia, parliamo d'altro.

 

"Truth behind WSMR:"

 

WSMR is a one man show, Kenneth Skinner, KS, there is no Darren Green involved in this scheme. Hair Site knew all along KS was behind WSMR. Kenneth Skinner knows Darren Green but Darren Green doesn’t know KS is using his name or, pretending to be him in both e-mail and telephone communication.

There is no PEZ peptide, the “concept” of PEZ was only invented once KS realised Trey and Pants would report there useless results, essentially blowing WSMR out of the water. PEZ gave WSMR the opportunity to say “there much stronger peptides PEZ” and still take in some suckers cash.

WSMR would never allow Trey or Pants to test the PEZ for this reason, neither will they allow them to at any time in the future because of the above reason, there is no PEZ.

I am having a sample of the flex peptide independently tested to asses if there is any peptides in this product, I suspect there will not.

All information above was painstakingly researched by me and 6 others, take or leave all information above as fact or fiction, but do not doubt, WSMR is KS and KS has no PEZ or any helpful peptides.

[rokie79]

xxxxx mi sto interessando pure io. Già con Darren ho scambiato diverse mail. Praticamente ho fatto finta di capitare sul loro sito quasi per sbaglio. ho fatto tanti bei complimenti e gli ho detto quant'ero felice della notizia che nel futuro riavrò i capelli di un tempo e gli ho chiesto quando li potrò trovare in italia.

Lui mi ha detto che ancora non sono sicuri che saranno efficaci su tutti i pazienti ma la maggior parte si. Mi ha detto che a breve risolveranno i loro problemi di produzione (la famosa riduzione di costo).

Ma nel frattempo avevo gia preparato la seconda mail che ho inviato subito appena mi ha risposto. Gli ho chiesto scusa per la mia insistenza ma meravigliato da questi peptidi ho fatto un giro per i forum e siti internet e gli ho detto che ho trovato ben poco e se trovavo qualcosa erano tutte cose brutte sia sui peptidi e su la Wsmr. Mi ha sempre risposto:

 

There are many people on the internet which have other agenda's. These people are always looking for anything negative they can print about someone. This type of behavior is disturbing to all. If you would like, I can put you in touch with some people who I have dealt with and they can tell you about the peptide and dealing with me... Some are as far away as Germany and others in the US.

 

Presto mi ha detto che mi metterà in contatto con un tedesco un certo Peter.

 

xxxxx spero di dare anche io il mio contributo o smentire o meglio ancora a trovare una bellissima verità

[Visitatore BEAVIS]

Uffa non si capisce nulla qua......bufala o no????

Continuo a chiedermi 1 cosa: ma perchè tutto sto casino se non fosse vero????

Spero non sia un'altra crescina( )!

[Tomas Milian]

mmm...tenetemi il posto, che vado giu' al bar a prendere altri popcorn...

[GanjaMan]

Ecco il link:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions/vi...1693&highlight=

 

Ed ecco il (lunghissimo) post:

 

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:26 pm Post subject: Posted Results from WSMR/Hairswitch peptide

 

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Four of us were on Flex 2. Pants and I and two unnamed lurkers will post results and comments below. My comments will be last. The first is from Pants and then from one of the lurkers and then my comments; I’ll actually be passing on what one of the other lurkers said since he has had trouble with Internet access lately. Posting a day early because I will be gone over the weekend.

 

Trey

 

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PANTS:

 

Hi guys,

 

Okay without wanting to sound like im making a speech I just quickly

want to say thank you to everyone who have supported us on the forums and

vouched for our honesty, to the others, you are totally entitled to your

opinions of course.

 

Unfortunately, my results are pretty negative, the best I can say so

far is that my existing hair *may* be slightly thicker, I cant claim to have

any regrowth yet, this isn't the news anyone of you wanted to here... and

its defiantly not the news I wanted to report.

 

Before I go any further there could be a very legit reason for my lack

of results, according to WSMR the peptide we HAD been using for.I think it

was 5 months now? Had two things wrong with it, 1) the PH was off, and 2)

there was another peptide in the mixture that was stopping any positive hair

growth effect, the peptide was refiltered and the PH adjusted and I

began that on the 7th of January, so perhaps not enough time has gone by to

have given it a fair chance? If the above information is true or not I cant

say, im just passing on the reason we were given on why our results were so

bad, Ill leave you all to form your opinions which I respect will be

diverse.

 

My personal thoughts, okay im REALLY disappointed I don't have anything

I can cling to as regrowth, my thoughts have always been that this is my

last personal hope, if peptides cant bring back hair I don't believe any

topical that isnt GT will, ever ever ever (Im not just talking about a few

hairs). After a few years I have zero faith in Gho nor do I believe in anyone,

anyone of these people who claim to have a cure that isnt proven to be

a cure, everything is paper cures, my experiences to learn this lesson

have been harsh, I may be a slow learner but eventually I catch on.

 

I think the person behind wsmr, that is my contact there, genuinely

believes they have made a significant breakthrough in hair loss treatments, I

also believe he has a lot of empathy for hair loss victims as he has

suffered with hair loss himself, when I say suffered, I mean suffered with the

loss of hair and mental torture of losing ones identity and youth.

 

I would love to test PEZ but don't know if I will ever get that chance,

I believe I have fulfilled my commitment by not using any other products

in the time I have used peptides but from here on need to start adding

others as I need to have some regrowth.

 

I will pay the $100 bet I made with JG and $100 I made with sean that

wsmr would be able to grow hair when the bet is up, I believe the conditions

were by next Xmas I had to prove it...

 

People will ask, "why didn't you break your NDA if you had no results",

well apart from the obvious legal repercussions, and the wanting to stay a

man of my word, lets not forget they have other more potent peptides I would

love to try and report about.

 

That's all I have to say guys, thanks for taking the time to read this

post, obviously the topic of posting pics is redundant now.

 

Anyone who claimed we cant be trusted, I truly hope you stand by that

and call us liars now.

 

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ANONYMOUS TRIALIST #1

 

 

For what it's worth, I'm convinced this is not a scam or a fly-by-night deal. The guy I've been dealing with at WSMR, Kenneth Skinner, is definitely committed to finding a way to re-grow hair and has been extremely helpful and energetic in trying to improve the peptides' efficacy. That said, so far I can report that the peptides have definitely slowed my hair loss more than anything else I've tried but also definitely have not stopped it. There have been problems with the penetration of this large molecule (4,000 daltons), and each time I've tried a better penetration enhancer (from the liposome to adding DMSO to adding DMSO plus propylene glycol) I've noticed a little improvement -- i.e., the loss has slowed some compared to before, but as I said, it hasn't stopped. I'm expecting a shipment Saturday of the latest penetration enhancer (the azone you might have read about on Hairsite, mixed with propylene glycol, which studies apparently show are excellent in combination at getting such large molecules through the skin, plus two other enhancers), so we'll see if that makes a significant difference. I've been on the peptide since late fall but only have been using the DMSO mixed in since January 9th, and for the last two weeks also have mixed in propylene glycol. It's so difficult to tell whether there are signs of re-growth. Sometimes I look closely and think that some of the vellus hairs along the hairline (especially on the right side way above the temple and ear) are slowly -- and I mean incredibly slowly -- getting a little bigger. But sometimes I think not much is happening. If this stuff works, it's at an incredibly slow pace. I simply don't know if these vellus hairs will gradually keep getting bigger and bigger and eventually become terminal, and if more of them will begin to enlarge as time goes on so there's some density. I definitely haven't ruled out the possibility, but I certainly can't say that it's likely to happen or that the hairs are sprouting up all over the place or that I'm highly confident it's going to happen. I simply don't know. I haven't seen enough of a response to be real optimistic, but I'm not ready to rule out the possibility either. I'm guessing now that I'll need about two months with the new penetration enhancers before I'll be able to make a reasonable judgment. I'm sure many of you will find this disappointing or equivocating, but that's about all I can say. I'm not as optimistic as I was when I started, but I'm definitely convinced it works better at slowing the loss than the minox-propecia-and-other-topical combinations I'd been using up to now, which is a meaningful improvement. If I were several years younger I'd be more excited, because I had a lot more hair then and slowing down the loss significantly would have made a bigger difference for each year I could go back in time. I guess the main question is, does it work only a little better than those other treatments, or does it work a fair amount better, or does it work much, much, much better? If it's either of the latter two, then the effect in regenerating growth is extremely, painfully slow, though maybe the new penetration enhancers will speed it up a some. I'm anxious to find that out. I like this stuff enough where I definitely want to stay on it, but I still don't have a sense of whether it's going to provide much re-growth. By the way, I'm 41, and though I don't know the Norwood scale real well, I think I'm about a Norwood 5 who is or at least was fast on the way to losing it all on top. If Trey and Pants are going to stay on it -- I haven't asked them -- I'd be glad to report back here with them in a couple months if anybody cares.

 

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ANONYMOUS TRIALIST #2

 

(Trey passing on his info here)

 

Basically he told me that sometimes he thinks he might be getting results and other times he’s not so sure. Obviously no amazing regrowth yet.

 

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TREY

 

 

Okay,

 

I think the others have pretty much said it all. When I first found out that trials were going on I wanted to be a part of it and kept asking if I could, over and over. I had discussed the science behind these peptides with them for days and the safety, etc. Was there still a health risk? Of course. But no one will convince me that Propecia, Avodart, Minox. And others are not risks either. FDA approval means very little when you remember the fiascos with Phen-Fen, Ephedrine, etc. Drugs are dangerous. Period. So I took my chances because I wanted regrowth.

This was something I was going to do just on my own and with a few others who knew that I had started. They said they wanted to get a female to try this and so I asked Jean (most of you know her) but she declined because of personal circumstances that had kept her occupied at the time.

 

I don’t remember how long I had been on it when the news broke on Hairsite or HLH or wherever it was, but when I saw the responses to the news and all of the immediate “It’s a SCAM!” posts, (including some from people I respect) I decided to come forward with a “by the way” type post and let people know that I knew it was not a scam. I was getting it for free and they weren’t even marketing yet. Scam artists tend to like to actually PROMOTE their product so that they can do that little thing called making money.

 

Anyway, my post saying it was not a scam led to long threads asking if I could prove this and whether or not I was actually in on the scam. Of course, all of the knowledgeable regulars knew this was sheer nonsense, but I found myself from time to time responding to such posts and ultimately regretting that I even posted that I was on this stuff.

 

Once I found out that Kenneth Skinner was the same one who had posted on Hairsite earlier I realized that although this was someone who had tried various things in the past that had failed, this was also an individual who truly understood what it meant to suffer from hair loss, and one who was willing to do whatever it took to find a cure. Every conversation I have had with him has been a good one and I know I’m dealing with a man who is not trying to scam me (why would he keep sending me fresh supplies of this and not even charge me shipping, which can get expensive on his end when it is FedEx?).

 

The idea that WSMR “used” Trey and Pants to try to give the peptide a good name is so ridicxxxus it’s funny. We have nothing great to report. How could that help them? Besides, the market for baldness scams is so huge, who would need to get a couple of guys from the forums to “try” a product to promote it? We’ve never said anything positive about our results from the beginning. I even questioned the notion that this could be the “cure” right from the start, and posted that on the forums. I also received several emails from people who wanted to know if they could/should get their hands on this and in each case I told them to wait until I found out if it worked or not. Some have since thanked me for telling them to hold off.

 

(Now to the results): I’ve gotten no results with this and my hair has actually continued it’s decline. Not more rapidly or more slowly – just continued. As if I were using nothing at all. Do I still plan on using it? Well, they are trying a new penetrating vehicle which could make a difference, and to me those pictures that were posted on the site (which I’ve only been to about 4 times, btw) showed some regrowth. Some of you trashed the photos as no change; others said they were doctored; someone even said he had an HT; and some said they thought the results were great for such a timespan as that. When you use the scar as a reference point you can see that where it was shiny bald before, some hairs have come back.

 

I still maintain that the peptide is not a scam and those of you who have backgrounds in microbiology would agree if you spoke to some of the folks over there as JTR, WB, and I have done. They do know their science. And peptides are going to be more and more effective as time goes on.

 

Sorry I don’t have better news to report, but I tried to warn everyone as time has gone on. It is true that the PH level was off on our first batch and we only started using DMSO later on, but I’m not going to get into any of that or some will accuse me of trying to make excuses for the peptide. My results are my results.

 

I will be gone over the weekend, so I asked the other guys if they wanted to post this a day early. Some of us wondered how WSMR would respond to our posts and perhaps cut off our supply or think that we have slapped them in the face. But I say, why would they feel that way? We are only speaking the truth. The peptide may very well get better results that a minox/prop/avo. combo on some people and on others it may do zilch. For the record I have never responded to ANYTHING that I’ve tried. I guess I’m one of those unlucky ones who will have to wait for some major breakthrough. I will most likely keep using this peptide, though, with the enhanced penetration vehicle for a while, if WSMR is willing to keep shipping it out.

 

Pants or one of the others may be able to answer your questions over the weekend or today, but I’m leaving and it will be hard to get to a computer. I have said a lot here, but I thought a few things needed to be cleared up, rather than just saying “it hasn’t worked for me.”

 

God bless, and hang in there,

 

Trey

[GanjaMan]

Questi commenti fanno davvero riflettere.

I trialist xò mi sembrano persone intelligenti, e il fatto che nonostante tutto non vogliano ancora stroncare WSMR mi lascia ancora un po' di speranza.

A parte il discorso del DMSO e del ph, sono stati nel trial per pochissimo tempo: se per assurdo fossero stati trialists di Minox o di Propecia, i loro risultati non sarebbero comunque diversi. E magari WSMR rimane comunque sulla buona strada, avendo tra le mani un prodotto ancora grezzo che deve essere perfezionato per poter rendere al meglio.

A questo punto non speriamoci troppo, sapendo cmq che prima o poi avremo finalmente delle certezze.

[fra]

ma. ma..non è possibile ..e scusate ..quelle foto??? le foto del sito???...perchè finisce sempre così...

[rokie79]

xxxxx niente da fare ci vuole solo un pò di tempo Darren mi ha detto che nella loro posizione è facile che qualcuno li voglia spuxxxxxre, la cosa che i convince di poco e che non dicono che è la cura per eccellenza ma ci stanno lavorando per migliorarla sempre di + e magari farla diventare in futuro. La prossima settimana vediamo che mi dice gli scriverò ancora

[cripto]

xxxxx, ma vi siete gia dimenticati di tutto il casino scoppiato a gennaio? due tra tutte:la licenza e il SAB che se n'è andato in massa. Sono questioni che pesano come macinigni sulla loro credibilità e anche se i trialist avessero raccontato miracoli, senza risposte chiare alle vecchie questioni di sicuro io non mi sarei fidato. Le questioni vecchie sono ancora senza risposta e in piu il prodotto non ha funzionato.. secondo me bisogna cominciare purtoppo a farcene una ragione...

[ma707476]

Scusate se rispondo solo ora.

Ma settimana scorsa ero via e non ho potuto rispondere.

Cmq la wsmr, è vero ha la sede a Denver, ma i test vengono fatti a Boston, visto che sia il mio amico, nonchè collega di lavoro, è a Boston ed entrambi soffriamo di a.a. non vedo perchè dovrei dirvi una balla, a quale scopo???

Volevo solo dire che il prodotto non è molto meglio della dutasteride o del FNS, che già uso, e che non fà una beata fava!!!

Sabato l'ho sentito e mi ha detto che non ha novità.

Alla wsmr si sono cuciti la bocca, in quanto hanno dato notizie fin troppo ottimistiche sui risultati che il farmaco puo' ottenere, in realtà ha ancora una tossicità elevata ed è efficace solo su una minima parte dei pazienti.

Perdipiù come già avevo detto che ce ne facciamo di qualche peletto in più sulla testa???

Io non sono pelato, li ho corti molto corti, per evitare che si veda il meno possibile il diradamento, ma mi mancheranno qualche migliaia di capelli, e 10 o 100 capelli in più non mi cambiano la vita, ma solo quella del portafoglio.

Io credo che la wsmr abbia prodotto un farmaco che è ancora lontano dal consentire una ricrescita duratura ed efficace come hanno promesso.

Sono afflitto come tutti voi, ma mi sà che bisognerà attendere ancora a lungo...

Speriamo che quando avranno trovato la cura, per molti di noi non sia troppo tardi, o troppo vecchi che non ce ne fraga più niente.

[rokie79]

mauri sono propio del parere che le cose stanno come dici tu,e concordo con i tuoi pensieri

[ma707476]

Rockie sai cosa ti dico??

Che va bene un bel taglio alla Bruce Willis!!

E mi sembra che il suo facino e sex appeal non sia minimamente minato dalla pelata!!!

[rokie79]

si mauri ma ci sono casi e casi io pelato non credo di stare bene,con i capelli lunghi ma non lunghissimi ho sempre avuto un discreto successo che non mi hai mai fatto lamentare,ora mi sento troppo guardato aldilà della fronte non credo per ammirare il mio diradamento,ma credo che mi contino i capelli

[ma707476]

Caro rockie79, hai qualche altra alternativa???

Non pensare che a me faccia piacere, anche se devo dire che io sono molto + vecchio di te e quindi capisco che per te è molto + difficile, ma ahimè come ben sai anche tu,

o fai una cosa alla xxxxx xxxxx o ti tieni il diradamento in via di peggioramento.

Per stare meglio, cerca di curare di più la tua pelle, acne, lucidità pori dilatati etc etc.., vedrai che poi ti abituerai di + al diradamento, una bella pelle è importante.

Eppoi non si sa mai che tra qualche anno ci si arrivi finalmente alla soluzione.

CIAO

[rokie79]

mauri a me non è mai piaciuto scendere a compromessi. Vedo il xxx come aggravare ankora d+ la mia gia infelice situazione.I riporti non ci penso minimamente, anche perche ho i capelli ricci. Sono 2 le cose da fare se non riesco a farli ricrescere e se quindi continuerò a peggiorare. O rasato o taglio molto corto spero la seconda soluzione.

Bene che vada forse verso la fine 2004 si può pensare di assumere duta o pregare per queste cure che promettono promettono ma sono molto dubbiose(vedi Hm e Peptidi)

[ma707476]

Che dirti ?? Anche a me non fa piacere non avere una folta capigliatura, visto che avevo i capelli che mi arrivano sulle sopracciglia alla tua età.

Ma come hai ribadito anche tu, meglio corti, anzi a zero, che riporti schifosi.

Attento alla duta è un farmaco pericoloso e che non è nato per l'a.a.

Farsi bombe di duta che migliorano la capigliatura ma che ti deteriorano fisicamente, francamente credo che non ne valga la pena!

Ma non ci scoraggiamo, prima o poi qualcosa di significativo verrà fatto per l'a.a.

Ciao

[Tomas Milian]

IO NO

[rokie79]

Dai Tomas la scienza può fare solo passi avanti,certo magai resta li dov'è.Ma invece di essere pessimisti,che ci deprimiamo di +.

Orientiamoci sull'ottimismo realistico, cioè un ottimismo con i piedi per terra.